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Tue Mar 20 16:46:28 EDT 2007

JavaScript. This includes placing Requests, populating My List, viewing the
Full Bib page, and logging in to "My Account".  WebTV never has provided
anything close to full JavaScript support, so the out-of-the-box HIP is
almost totally useless for WebTV patrons.

It should be possible to make an alternate set of XSL files that do not use
as much JavaScript, but it would probably not be as "full-featured".  These
files could be associated with a separate profile by modifying the
xsltransformer.xml file without removing features from the other profiles.

In my opinion, all users should be able to do the basics: search, place
requests, renew materials, check their holds, and modify their account
settings and preferences.

Could we encourage Dynix to produce a simplified set of XSL files as an
add-on product similar to the Spanish or Kid's HIP?  Maybe they could
combine it with the screen-reader-friendly version they claim to be working
on.

Speaking as the Devil's advocate for a moment, it's impossible to develop
software that will work in every environment... Particularly when said
environment doesn't adhere to standards.  As far as I know, WebTV's browser
has never fully supported any web standards (HTML, JavaScript, etc.).
Software companies have to draw the line somewhere, and WebTV is antiquated.

Brian Dunten 
Web Developer
Indianapolis Marion County Public Library 
http://www.imcpl.org

-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Ostrowsky [mailto:ostrowb at tblc.org] 
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 2:26 PM
To: ipac at lists.tblc.org
Subject: Re: [ipac] WebTV functionality lost in HIP 2.1

> I think it's important for libraries (especially public libraries) 
> using HIP to be aware that as of v2.1, WebTV basically becomes 
> unusable as a client.

What changes have made this happen?  Surely we can make the XSL stylesheets
more compatible, yes?

Ben
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Kevin, the fact that HIP 2.1 doesn't support WebTV =
and other older browsers is likely to be a problem for many of our =
patrons when we go into production.&nbsp; I suggested to the =
powers-that-be in our library that we try providing free copies of =
Netscape and/or IE at our branches, but that's not likely to happen... =
And it does nothing for WebTV users.&nbsp; You're right: they are a =
VERY vocal minority.

From what I have been able to determine, many of the =
features require JavaScript. This includes placing Requests, populating =
My List, viewing the Full Bib page, and logging in to &quot;My =
Account&quot;.&nbsp; WebTV never has provided anything close to full =
JavaScript support, so the out-of-the-box HIP is almost totally useless =
for WebTV patrons.

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>It should be possible to make an alternate set of XSL =
files that do not use as much JavaScript, but it would probably not be =
as &quot;full-featured&quot;.&nbsp; These files could be associated =
with a separate profile by modifying the xsltransformer.xml file =
without removing features from the other profiles.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>In my opinion, all users should be able to do the =
basics: search, place requests, renew materials, check their holds, and =
modify their account settings and preferences.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Could we encourage Dynix to produce a simplified set =
of XSL files as an add-on product similar to the Spanish or Kid's =
HIP?&nbsp; Maybe they could combine it with the screen-reader-friendly =
version they claim to be working on.</FONT></P>

Speaking as the Devil's advocate for a moment, it's =
impossible to develop software that will work in every environment... =
Particularly when said environment doesn't adhere to standards.&nbsp; =
As far as I know, WebTV's browser has never fully supported any web =
standards (HTML, JavaScript, etc.).&nbsp; Software companies have to =
draw the line somewhere, and WebTV is antiquated.

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Brian Dunten </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Web Developer</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Indianapolis Marion County Public Library </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2><A HREF=3D"http://www.imcpl.org" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.imcpl.org</A></FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Ben Ostrowsky [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:ostrowb at tblc.org">mailto:ostrowb at tblc.org</A>] </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 2:26 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: ipac at lists.tblc.org</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: Re: [ipac] WebTV functionality lost in HIP =
2.1</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; I think it's important for libraries (especially =
public libraries) </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; using HIP to be aware that as of v2.1, WebTV =
basically becomes </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; unusable as a client.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>What changes have made this happen?&nbsp; Surely we =
can make the XSL stylesheets more compatible, yes?</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Ben</FONT>
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